Podcast and Chill with MacG

00:01 The road to one million celebration made history. 00:07 But history has a sequel. 00:10 Oh, it's possible. One million wasn't the final destination. 00:15 Yes, we are now on the road to two million. 00:21 Every podcast and chill network host under one roof. 00:27 One stage, one night. Wow. 00:30 Wow, indeed. It is the podcast event of all podcast events. I think we've got a plan. And I like it. This is going to be one for the books. Where and when? On the 12th of December at Grand West Grand Arena in Cape Town. Where do I sign up? On the Quicket website. It's going to be epic. So get your tickets right now before they sell out. 00:54 Calling all chillers. 00:57 Assemble. 01:02 Welcome to Podcasts. 01:28 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 01:47 Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Music Pulse. The episode, well, the, what is this? The podcast where we tell our calls. 01:54 It's a pair. 01:55 It's a pair of love for you. Say that thing again, Shane. But what you do is you don't do it. Huh? 02:09 We're good. We have a guest again today. 02:13 We're pampering you guys with a lot of guests. So, you want to introduce yourself? 02:19 Yes. Liso is my name. 02:21 Oh, Liso is your name. And you are the owner of Madhouse. Yes. Which is a record label. Yes. Madhouse Music. 02:26 Madhouse Music Entertainment, yes. 02:28 Oh, yeah. You guys seem to be friends. You know a lot of these guys. Yeah. One family. Oh, yeah. You guys like the same age group, but we're in the 40s. Like, huh? Yeah. 02:37 I'm 36. 02:37 I was in the trick 18 years ago. 02:45 How do you know him? I know him very well, man. I worked with Lizzo a couple of times. Been to his house a couple of times. 02:51 Which house? 02:53 The other one. I think it's in Runbeck, right? 02:55 Yeah, Runbeck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:56 Been to his house. He's got equipment. He's a nigga that supplies a lot of niggas. Actually, the music industry, I mean, the film industry, most of them hire equipment from him. Equipment. Filming equipment. Don't mind it like that. 03:11 I don't put it like that. I mean, it's friends with class. Where are you from, Niso? It's friends with class. Are you from Zambia? From Zambia, yeah. How long have you been in Sada? 25, 26 years. 03:23 25, 26 years. That's a very long time. 03:27 That's a long time. Where did you start here working as? 03:31 What? No, I remember that one. Yeah. 03:48 so you discovered for now no no no I didn't I'm saying the company that they were trained at OnQ Interface Talent so I now own it the person who used to own it a long time ago is Anna so when she passed away the family had to sell the company Anna she was a white lady she was a white lady yeah So you were teaching Wanang how to like read scripts and shit like that? They do. Yeah, that's what they do. 04:10 Training. 04:10 Training. Yeah. We do TV and radio presenting training. 04:14 Oh, yeah. 04:14 Yeah. Okay. 04:15 I think I'd be a good fit there. You should go there. I need training. 04:18 I can do Wanang, I'll cooperate at some point. 04:22 So what do you feel about the current on-air talent? A lot of it comes from social media without a thorough background or training, especially in presenting skills. What do you think of the current crop of kids? Yeah, like, let me just give you an example. 04:39 If you see now, there was a top billing presenter stage. And two of the people we trained were on that, they were in the top five. There's Nehemiah and another lady, what's her name? 04:49 Yeah, but the winner was Unbeatable. Exactly. No, no, she's just too beautiful. She's good. No, no, she's too beautiful. 04:55 It's about the looks. Is that a winner already? 04:57 It's always about the... There are some people who are just so beautiful, right? That you need to put them on TV. It doesn't make sense to have them not on TV. 05:06 They can't be working at spa. Yeah. And she's been with Super Sport. She's been doing some stuff for Super Sport. No, she was on Super Sport first. 05:13 And I think her sister is the current Miss South Africa. 05:16 Oh, I didn't know. 05:18 Yeah, it's just because the current ones. No, no, it's the current, the reigning. Oh, sorry. They say reigning. 05:25 What's her name? 05:26 I don't know, but Omba is her sister. 05:29 What is it? 05:32 Omba Mazaleni. 05:33 And then what's her sister's name? 05:34 Omba Mazaleni. 05:36 No, Kawe is the winner. 05:38 Kawe is the winner and Omba is the sister who is now on top billing. And it used to be like a pipeline for top billing presenters to be picked from former Miss Essays, you know. And a lot of history with former Miss Essays. What do you think about, you know, the training that people get at a competition like Miss Essay? We've got a particular artist that is very loved here. We love her very much. We love her music very much. Who's that? 06:04 Azana. 06:05 Okay, okay. 06:06 She's now in the top. 06:07 Oh, I love Azana. 06:09 She's in the top 12, right? What is it? Come on, guys. She's going to the finale. Were you partying last night? 06:15 No, she made it to the finale. 06:18 Let me tell you something. She made it to the finale and I cannot believe that Azana might win it. Also one, number one. 06:25 Do you think she deserves to win it? 06:26 I think she deserves to win it. 06:28 She does. 06:28 You asked me a question. 06:29 Let me finish. Can I answer? Yeah. 06:32 Can I answer someone? 06:33 No, I wasn't done asking the question, but yeah. 06:36 Okay, so do you think she deserved to win it? I think that, you know, Miss South Africa wasn't like the right competition for her to enter. But now considering that she's the only beautiful girl there. 06:50 Only beautiful girl? The only one. 06:51 Okay. 06:53 What's your opinion? I think Azana deserves to win it. Azana was a much bigger size of what she is right now. And I've seen the work she put in to like drop and gain the size that she has right now. Get back to her old ways. She really wants it. And I think she deserves to win it. My only concern is that if she ever wins it, remember, now you go to Miss World. Right? And… What happens with your music career is the only concern I have. As someone who is very close to her. 07:21 What's bigger? Music or Miss World? Do you think Tyler is... I think music is bigger. I think music is bigger. 07:26 Music is bigger than Miss World. Because Miss World has got a lifetime. 07:32 No, it's a year, right? It's a year, yeah. And after that, then what? Then what? Get married to a rich nigga. 07:40 All right. 07:40 As long as she finds a Zulu nigga. 07:42 Okay. 07:43 So she could win also because she's coming. 07:44 As long as she finds a Zulu nigga and the nigga better be big. 07:47 No, not really. 07:48 I didn't get it. 07:50 Which artist do you have there by Madhouse? 07:51 The artist I have by Madhouse. So it's MSA. 07:54 No, I didn't. I trusted you, bro. 07:58 He's talking about the artist at Madhouse. I wanted to get into his other business. You know, the presenting business. Because I wanted to give, you know, Taki a little bit of a master class. 08:06 No, we're good. We're good. I'll take his number. We can do that with A. 08:12 What's up, Siso? I thought your co-host is better than me. What happened now? 08:17 So, he said after she wins Miss World, there's no music anymore, she better get married. 08:23 And I said... She's a rich nigga. No, no, no. 08:27 I said she better get married to a Zulu nigga. 08:30 And I said no. And the nigga better be big. Can't she do both though? Like do music and become Miss World? 08:36 Is she still dating Big Zulu? Ah! 08:41 She's not? No, because you said Big and Zulu. Come on. I'll start asking. Agri, you said no, I didn't get it. So I'm putting it in the op-ed. I'm putting it in the op-ed. 08:50 I don't get it. 08:53 At some point, he alleged that Big Zulu was fucking. Who? 08:57 And I said that Leroy's wife looks the same height and... but Leroy's wife... Nah, she never dated Big Zulu, man. Oh, shit. 09:22 No, that's what we spoke about on the show. 09:24 That's actually it. 09:25 That's why the... We're getting to the madhouse side? That you still have. That are still under contract. Unterminated. That are still under contract. So we've got MSA, Samike, Misokutle, Lady Steezy, which is Naledi. 09:42 She's still under contract, yes. MSA? MSA, yes. So how long ago did you sign MSA? Why did you start with them? So... 09:51 back in 2014 and between 2014 and 2016 it was I was trying to get having having had been in the music business for quite some time I was trying to get a formula like what did what did what did the international labels do good what did they do right and it was having a sound having a producer because MSA is actually a producer so I thought this guy's production I like it mm-hmm Actually, I met him through years. 10:22 I met an artist called Meister. He's late. May his soul rest in peace. So he introduced me to MSA because when I listened to Meister's music, he was like, this is what we've made. I was like, who's the producer? You dope, but who's this producer? And it so happened to be MSA. Where's MSA from? 10:42 Eastern Cape. Eastern Cape. Okay, cool. So he's in Eastern Cape, bro. Do you know where in Eastern Cape? Not really. He's mentioned it, but damn, I keep forgetting. Who brought him to Jobik? 10:54 I don't know, but he's been in Jobik for quite some time. And I'd met him way back when I was running another record label called Southwest Records. 11:02 Yeah. 11:03 Yeah. 11:04 My partner was... No, who did you meet him with? No, no, he used to be this kid who was eager to produce, but he couldn't even make it to the control at that time. This is now, maybe, is it 2006, 7, 8? And at that time, the people that we were busy with... I was a kid. I was in high school. Yeah, the people I was busy with... First, I started AB Crazy. I had signed AB Crazy. Oh, AB Crazy. Yeah, so I blew up. 11:27 Wasn't he working with Octave Couplet at the time? 11:30 Don Juan and the... Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. So, AB Crazy, he went on to do his own thing and then the people who came after AB Crazy, it was Maraza and MT. So, of course, Maraza was a good producer. 11:46 Very good producer. So... But he just didn't have an authoritative voice. Yeah. His voice was just too... Yeah, and he's a rapper. He's a rapper and producer. He's a rapper, but his voice is Mascandi. Exactly. 11:56 You know, so MSA was one of those boys who would be like, you know, he's in the studio, like, by the couch, he's watching what they're doing. You know, by the time I found out that he can also produce, it was like many years later, which is like 2014, 15, and so on and so forth. Damn. So when I say that I met MSA via Meister, not really. What I mean is that's when I got to know his skills and his talent. But he used to be a cut that I used to see in the studio. He used to come to my studios. You know what I mean? How close are you guys? Very close. 12:26 He's like a little brother. I love MSA. He's like, come on. 12:30 Yeah. 12:30 Okay, can I say what he said? 12:32 Must I quote it verbatim? Yeah, sure, go on. The nigger said that this is how niggers are going to fuck your wife when you're in prison. 12:38 Yeah, that's what he said to me. He wrote that to me, but I didn't reply. I never replied to those things that he's writing for me. 12:44 So he was insinuating that you would fuck his wife? 12:47 No, he was insinuating that... 12:49 When I go to jail, niggas are going to be fucking my wife. 12:52 Of course. 12:53 Why does he want to go to prison? No, no, he says they're going to fuck my wife. Like, that's disrespectful. 12:57 No, they won't. I know his wife. That's disrespectful. Yeah. I know his wife. I know his daughter. I know his kids. Hold on, hold on, hold on. My baby said his kids many times. 13:04 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Guys, wait. I get arrested now. I go to prison. 13:11 Yeah. 13:12 Let's say... Okay. 13:16 It's either somebody's gonna fuck my wife or my wife is gonna fuck somebody. 13:21 No, that's not guaranteed. I don't know. 13:22 No, no, no, I'm just saying. 13:24 Fair enough, fair enough. 13:25 I'm just saying. Not his wife. 13:27 But in what context are you saying it? Maybe if you say what's up. No, no, no, not his wife. In what context? 13:31 Not his wife. Are you saying it? So he sent me a message. This nigga's left me alone in his house with his wife many times. Bro, I know his wife. Exactly. Picture his house. 13:40 What I'm trying to say is that she's beautiful. 13:43 Beautiful woman. So, he's putting it in a context in a disrespectful way that he's just sending me a message. He sends me messages periodically to say, yeah, you look like this guy. And when you go to jail, this is how they're going to fuck your wife. You know, in that context, you know. So, I don't reply. I'm just like, yo. 14:02 I love this boy, you know. It's my boy. What's the issue there? 14:05 Why are you guys fighting? 14:06 So, the issue, the real issue, to my understanding... Why does he want you in prison, actually? Yes. Yes. 14:12 Sorry, what did you say again? Why does he want you in prison? 14:17 What's the issue? The reason they want me in prison is I've built this record label which is My House Music Records and I've got a huge catalog. I've got a very good artist. I've never gotten an advance from any major label or distributor or anybody for that matter. I put in my own money. 14:35 you've worked with me before I put my own money into the artists and some of them you know them for years the townhouses I've rented for them where they're staying I pay for them I've made opportunities for them to start making money but the moment we get to a point where we're supposed to make money They want to go. They want to leave. Because now they think they're popping. You know what I mean? And it repeats itself. And there's a reason why we sign contracts. So here's what my understanding, my little knowledge of the music business. 15:06 There's revenue stream. So you can make money from... 15:11 Sales of records, which is... We used to sell CDs, but not anymore. Now people stream. Streaming money is small money. You have to stream a lot. Millions and millions. Do you know why? Because it's a scam. It is a scam. Because it's actually synchronization. Yeah. It's actually synchronization. 15:28 And they're paying you the same they'd pay you for royalty on a CD. Do you understand? Because the person that buys a CD, he owns that CD. 15:38 You can play it whenever. No one's going to delete the music on the CD. Right. Streaming, they can delete the music. And then you are effed. 15:47 The artist is fucked. You understand? There's no access to their music. And also the person that pays a subscription is fucked because they can't access that music. When all the streaming companies delete all this AI music. I hate AI music. Some people love it. I don't like it. If you've got an IQ of three, four, five, you know, you'll love it. 16:05 You'll love it. So the people with an IQ of 3, 4, 5, they pay subscription so they can stream their latest AI music. 90% of that music has disappeared. 16:16 It's scary though, you know. Okay, let's go straight to the point. So where I'm getting at, the point is this. 16:21 There's streaming, which we don't make money. When you're doing what I'm doing, or you're trying to get into the music business, your money really is with performances, endorsements. That's management. Yes, management. So there's management money that you can make. And how do you make money? Money through management is performances and endorsements. Then you can make money through sync deals. When your music is on a TV commercial or in a movie or in a series... Then you can make money through Needle Time, which is Samro. And then you get a publisher. 16:52 Or Sampra, yeah. Or Sampra, yeah. So now... 16:57 We've never made money through Samro or Sampra. 17:00 Since 2014, not zero. Have you registered? We registered, yeah. So we are with Shia Publishing, which is now changed to Downtown, which is owned by, I think it's Virgin. But Shia deals with Capeso and Samro. Exactly. So they handle, they're supposed to be handling our, what do you call it? Our admin business. meaning the collections of the bunnies. So when we make the music, we hand it over to them. We tell them, we notify, we say, listen, this is what we've done. So I don't gotta go to some role. But they've been giving us a runaround since 2014. 17:32 I've got statements to show you which says zero, zero, zero, zero. It's like they've got a system called CAVE, where you check how much money you've made. So the reason we plug in music to the radio stations and we want it on high rotation, if people are loving it, is for us to make money through, what do you call it? 17:52 Publishing. Yeah, publishing. The problem is the artists are saying, I have not paid them royalties. I think, and I love my artists. They just don't understand how the money is made. And the statements are there, yes. The statements are there. And I've told them they've got the right to get an auditor, external auditor to come and audit our books. 18:15 We've never gotten a cent from the publisher. What is that? Not one cent. 18:19 What's been your biggest song? What's been your biggest song? 18:21 That's a big song. That's a very big song. So why haven't you guys received money for that? How long ago was it? Beginning of 2025, right? And who is handling your publishing? Shia Publishing or Downtown Publishing. 18:47 and the MD there is Tando that's her name Tando I'll tell you I'll get the surname now get your release later and sue them yes the reason is I went there last week and I made noise I was just asking questions I'm like look you've actually destroyed my record label single-handedly although it's not them it's them and other people which I'll mention later on when the artists are saying we haven't been paid royalties they're right And the way it works is I don't pay the artist royalties. If you don't know how much you should pay them. 19:20 The publisher collects from Samro and pays the artist and pays me my money and they take their percentage. 19:26 Am I correct? Is that an admin deal? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. 19:31 So, and the artists themselves, they're registered with Samro. So Samro can even pay them directly. Yes, directly. Right. So that... The royalty money that they're saying, I'm chowing and my lifestyle, I haven't made that money from music. I've invested, but I haven't made royalties. There's no royalties. Why did they sign to you if you were broke? No, no, no. He's not broke. Exactly. I'm asking a question. 19:53 This nigga's not broke. 19:55 I'm asking a question. I'm telling you right now. 19:57 I know this nigga. This nigga's not broke. So, but they're saying he's broke and he's eating their money. Yeah. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. What? What? 20:05 So when I was putting the money up front, when I'm paying rentals and their expenses and everything, I'm not an illegal immigrant. Oh, yeah. When now they're blowing up, I'm an illegal immigrant. Abraham. 20:18 Abraham. 20:19 They've been talking to Jacinta. 20:20 I got Musa Kaula posting about me. They're paying Musa Kaula. Who's paying Musa? Natty. I suspect it's Natty. Natty. Let me tell you. What? I'm telling you. Are you sure it's not Tammy? It could be Tammy because I removed Lerato Kanyako from the songs, but I don't know. I don't want to make those games. The direct one. Sorry, sir. 20:39 You removed Lerato Kanyako from what? Lengoma, my songs. 20:42 I had given Lerato a couple of songs. Lengoma, she's on a couple of my songs, so I removed her. I left her with one. There's this girl called Nyla Blackman that Natty... 20:50 But how would you remove her if she was part of it? She was like part of production. No. 20:53 She didn't produce, she didn't sing, she didn't do nothing. It's like make sure songs are put my name on. Because Natty comes to me and says, yeah, for this song to blow up, you have to put Lerato on it. 21:03 So it's just, I'm like, yo, dude. But what hits does Lerato have? 21:07 I don't know what hit she is. 21:09 Is she delay Zinche or something? I don't know. You told me. Yeah, yeah, why? Why her? You told me. 21:13 Why do you guys choose? So why do you agree to putting her on? Because, you see, Natty... She's just a radio DJ. Natty's been saying... Is she not a radio DJ and a personality? So let me tell you why I agreed. 21:21 I didn't know... 21:22 Hold on, hold on. Before you carry on, for context, South Africa don't know who the fuck Natty is. 21:28 Can we say who the fuck Natty is first? 21:31 Okay. Can you say it? 21:33 I can say it. 21:34 I can say it too. Oh, you cannot say it. 21:36 You are the guest? No, no, no. Let him say it. Hold on. Hold on. I'm drunk today. When I'm drunk, I own the episode. 21:45 Relax. Okay, I want you to say it though. Who is Natty? Natty is somebody in the industry... 21:53 He's a compiler. He works for the SABC. 21:54 Radio compiler. 21:55 Radio compiler. So when you send your music, he receives the music and he approves what's going to play or not. But this dude, for some reason, he's got some power. So much power that he can go to record labels and extort. Or you know what bayolas are. And, you know, when people are plugging in music. He gets paid, but people are scared to talk about it. I wanted to address this nutty thing a long time ago. And you have not advised me not to. You said... 22:20 Why is Nota? Why? Who takes Nota's advice? 22:24 This is in February. Nota says, don't. You know, this guy. 22:28 You said you shouldn't speak about Natty. Address it. Who's Natty? What's Natty's surname? What's his surname, Swiso? I don't know. JJ, what's Natty's surname? Okay, hold on. We need a fat checker. 22:38 How? Do-do. 22:47 Can you please Google him? Who is his mom? Who is his dad? I want to know that. And the reason why I want to know that, all right, is because that brew has so much power. So what did I advise you? Let me finish. The advice was… Monotan. Monotan. I got you. They got you. Monotan, hold on. Hold on. This is my show today. 23:05 Okay, sure. 23:07 Right? I have it. I'm drunk. I have it. Yeah, Nati, DJ Nati Mtange, and he's a South African music compiler and a former acting programs manager for the SABC radio station Metro FM. Former? Yeah, and former acting programs manager. Oh, is he fired? I'd say he's former. Damn, that's good then. 23:25 But he's still there now. He's still there. He's still a compiler. 23:30 Maybe that's why he's going ahead to create this record label called Moon SE. 23:35 Suddenly there's a record label called Moon SE and we checked it out. There's a lady who's fronting there as the owner. Let's check it out. The name, I think I sent it to the producer. Let's put it up in here. I know, because Natty comes to me and says, listen, let's form this management company called Trinity. And in this company, it's going to be me, meaning Natty, myself, and there's another lady who does PR. 23:59 But then, so I go ahead and… Who is this PR lady? I'm not going to mention her. She's innocent. So, I go ahead and, you know, submit my papers. She's someone's wife. So, now… If she's someone's wife, don't mention her. This is where Nati is stuck. 24:18 For us to form this record label, it's my ID or passport, it's his and it's this lady. 24:25 So… Now, Natty can't give his. So the discussion was, you know, because I'm an employee of the SABC, I can't be seen to be... 24:33 owning a management company. 24:35 So I said, look, you can get your child. And he doesn't have a child. But wasn't Tony Soglo managing some people? Managing like Dineo Ranaka while working at the ACBC? 24:47 I don't know about that. I know Soglo is a good friend of mine as well, but I don't know about his... So he couldn't submit his papers for us to register this company. That's how Trinity died. 24:58 But the paperwork is there. He couldn't just submit. All we were waiting for was Natty's person, if he wants to put himself as the director, then we need his papers. So he couldn't. It expires after three to six months or something like that. So what he's done with this Moon SA, he's gotten somebody else to register the company. But I know he's running it. Front. I know he's running it. And what he's done is he's gunning for my artist. MSA, they've signed MSA or they're putting him out there. All these songs they're putting out, Tibo Touch, you know the new Tibo Touch song? 25:30 I don't listen to Metro FM. You know, No, but on social media, Tibo Touch is pushing this one. 25:35 I don't listen to radio stations where they have sex offenders on air. 25:39 Sex offenders? Wait, who? 25:42 Yeah, so continue. 25:43 No, no, no. 25:45 Cannot continue. All right. Sex offenders who? 25:48 All right. 25:49 Some bombs dropping. 25:51 Ask a man. 25:51 Yeah. So yeah, you sing. 25:53 All right. 25:55 Why did I fucking ask this for the fuck? Okay. No, no, no, no, no. 26:01 Nigga, that's my bro. 26:03 It's fine. 26:04 Who is that? Who are we talking about here? No, it's fine. Continue your story. 26:07 Okay, okay. 26:10 So, Nati brought another guy to me as well. 26:15 I never, ever say anything bad about this guy. He's a good guy. Naked DJ, Quentin. Oh, naked. I love him. So we released the song for... I love him. 26:23 You love him? Hello. I see you. Straight up dude. No, today's my episode. Yeah, we will get into our episode. You can be off. No, we will get into... You can literally go home. 26:35 Can I go home? I might want to go home now. Relax. No, but that's the thing. We appreciate the drugs, Fiso, but when... When he's done, we'll get into our episode. That's what I'm saying. Let's finish here. And then we'll have fun with you. Please carry on. So... 26:52 He says, let's do this with Naked, and Naked is solid. I met Naked for the first time, and we chop it up, and bam, everything is going good. Okay, cool. So we did Lady Smith's Black Mambazo remix to a song. What's the song? What song was it? 27:05 God damn it. I got too many songs that I forget the name, but you check it out. Lady Smith's Black Mambazo, Naked DJ. 27:12 So we did two. One was... 27:16 a piano. No, not a piano. It was... Dumi's got that, right? Yeah, he's got that. She's got that. No, I'm too much. I was Dumi. Continue. So, he keeps bringing people to me which are... 27:30 Metro FM or SABC employees. Employees. That is trying to put on in the music space. All I want to do is make music. You know, I don't need them to blow up. No disrespect. But my songs that have blown up is not songs because of them. Even the song where Lerato Kanyako was on Lengoma, I can show you, we've got a group, me, LKG, and the team, where I told her what I was going to do to blow up the song. So I blew up the song. I did it. How much do Metro FM DJs get paid? 27:58 I'm not sure. I'm not privy to that information. No, I'm just saying, what do you think? He has an idea. Like a salary, basic salary. No, I'm asking. Well, what's out in the media is that Thibaut Touch gets 500k or something like that. 28:09 Thibaut Touch is true. He's true. 28:11 Something like that. 28:12 He's worth 500k for our money. His salary. As taxpayers. Yeah, but hold on. 28:17 Let me help you how Radio works. 28:20 If Thibaut Touch gets 500k, he's the one that pays the salary for the team he picked. But that's what I said. Yeah, that's what I said. 28:27 Oh. So if my show is 500k as Thibaut touch, I have to pay Tzahi. I have to pay nota. Oh, all right. So maybe I'll say 40k Tzahi or 50k Tzahi, 50k nota then. So he, when you get a show at SBC, okay, well, this is alleged. I thought I went to school. So, understood. Okay. 28:49 No, no, no. We haven't let him finish. He was finishing. So, SABC will give me a show. Yeah. Allegedly as Thibaut Hodge. 28:56 Yeah. 28:56 Right? And say, how much is your drive show? And it's a drive show. And I go, no, I'm worth 600k. Uh-huh. 29:04 Right? And I come with my team. 29:06 No, they're like, no, 400. And we're like, no, 500. And then when they get 500k, it's like, okay, cool, we can operate. So when we operate on a 500k, what's next is that me now, I go fetch a monotona. He's saying exactly the same thing. He's saying it again. 29:22 Which part did you not understand? No, I just wanted him to say it properly. 29:25 So I, when the money comes to my business as the drive show, I pay you, I pay Sahalang, I pay Doodoo, the producer and I'm out. 29:34 So you're not the drive show, but you're the biggest money spinner on air, right? As the show with Ask a Man and all that stuff. Because it's advanced and shit. And Proverb and who else? Yeah. That's a midday link up. Midday link up. That's midday link up. So okay, midday link up. But it's after Ask a Man, right? 29:49 It's after… How much do you think she's making maybe per month just from… LKG? Yeah. 29:56 I don't know, man. Like… 100k? 50k? Maybe… Maybe 200k? 30:02 200k herself, personally. Why is she making music then? 30:05 20k is… I mean… Look, LKG… Even artists… Like, you have to be like a top 10 artist to be making 200k a month that you're taking home. Look, her lifestyle… Mudline, right? 30:15 Yeah, yeah. She's married to a rich man. Yeah, she's married to a rich man. There's all these guys. She's got followers. Because the game has changed. It's not just about let's hire… Maybe Metro FM hires her because she's got followers as well. And those followers will come to… Like social media followers. 30:30 then maybe they're interpreting it as they'll be listeners. 30:33 No, they don't. 30:33 I don't know why. No, we're telling you they don't. 30:35 She's talented. She's got experience. Her followers listen to us and watch us. Look, I don't know. I don't think that's the point. 30:44 I think the point is that she's got followers because she's on Metro FM. Not because... 30:48 Look, I've got conversations with you at the time. 30:51 Do you remember when... When you're on radio, people follow you because you're on radio. If you are DJ Sabi, they're following you because you're on radio. They didn't follow DJ Sabi before he was on YFM. They followed him because he was on YFM. When he went to Metro, the Metro FM listeners, right, followed him. 31:06 Let me try to educate you all, even though I'm not educated. 31:09 Mm-hmm. 31:11 So radio is just like acting industry in our days. 31:16 They hire you based on your numbers. Now. Right now. Yeah, they hire you. Based on your numbers, how many followers do you have? Just like in acting. Someone like Saint Bougie would be hired for a role in acting. And she knows nothing about acting, but she's got the numbers. People will what? Will watch. 31:37 So radio in our days is just like that. It's not about how trained, how well trained you are. Okay. It's about how much numbers can you bring to radio. Okay. That's why SABC right now, TV, Selma Tunes is hiring people we made. 31:52 Yeah. I get you. No, no, no, let me finish. 31:56 It's hiring people we made, podcasters. Mm-hmm. 32:01 They come from this chair. We made them. They can say whatever they want. I love Monaka, but we made you, baby. Right? And that's not a lie. You did. We made you because people look at us as bad niggas and you were the right person. So that's a criteria. What's it called? Criteria, yeah. Yeah. To hire right now. 32:22 A social media following, not talent. 32:24 Yeah. 32:24 Okay, so let's get back. Not talent. Yeah, let's get back to Lerato Kanyako. So for me… As I said, is that her following comes from her being a presenter on radio. You know, so how is she going to transfer being a presenter on radio to chart success? How is she going to add to those songs? 32:44 So, like I said, I don't know Lerato... Well, I know she used to be... Is it Miss Soweto? Then she's done... She's a good baby. Okay, let me ask it in another way. She's a good baby. 32:54 Is Lerato put on the songs so that the songs can be played on Metro FM? Or is Lerato being put on the songs so that the songs can chart? That's what I'm asking. 33:03 So... Like I said, Nati, I took him like a brother. 33:07 You know, he was at a period where he was wanting to quit Metro FM. So we were discussing him maybe doing A and R for me. 33:14 How long has he been there? Okay. 33:16 I don't know how long he's been at Metro FM. His entire life. Yeah, him doing A and R for you, yes. For him to, you know, to say, okay, this is a song that goes out or these are the artists that we sign and so on. We had a lot of, yeah, artists, you know what I mean? Like, for instance, he brought Naledia Piwe to one of my songs. That's my baby. Remix, you know what I mean? And he's got connects. He knows these people. And because of his position, obviously, he's got access to different record labels and so on and so forth. We've even done a... 33:44 but that's not because of Natty. I'm not sure we've done a remix with Pilo's artist. Is it Nonfundo More? 33:51 Pilo, yeah, Nonfundo More, yeah, yeah. 33:53 But then when we do this remix, and I had to go to, they were holding this writers' camp. They were doing a camp. They were doing it in Paris. Paris? Paris, yes. Paris. So I went there, yes. I went there with my artist, with Sammy K., We did the song. When I came back and I'm thinking, oh, we're going to drop this Among Never remix. Natty's like, no, we can't. He brings this girl from Trinidad called Naira Blackman and we're going to put her rather on the remix. Who is Naira Blackman? Some girl from Trinidad. 34:25 How many monthly listeners does she have on Spotify? Less than 200,000, maybe 200,000 or so. 200,000 not bad. My artist was already on 1.5 million. But where is she from again? Trinidad. 34:35 Trinidad and Tobago. Where's that? Somewhere in the West Indies. 34:39 Yeah, somewhere in the West Indies, yeah. Because Nat was doing PR for them. 34:43 Okay. 34:44 So now, I've got a song with Pilo's artist. And I want to, I think it's Nonfundo Mo and what's the other artist's name? Nontokozum Kizi. 34:54 Oh, that's my favorite bandage. 34:56 So we made songs with them. And Nat is like, no. We can't put out this music. We must put out this rather. And I'm like, yo, do you know what it took me? I had to go book hotels in Paris and, you know, we recorded the whole night. I drove there with my artist. And he's just like, no, this is not what's going to go out. This is what's going to go out. Like, who's this nigga telling me what's going to go out? Rented his garage. So now I'm pillow. 35:22 Impilo, he's a solid guy. He's got his record label. And I gave him my word that we're going to release this song. 35:31 But now my brother, who's Natty at the time, doesn't want me to put out the song. I can't tell Impilo that Natty is the one blocking this. Because Natty is like, I'm not going to play this. You can release this, but I won't wait. 35:44 I'm not going to put it on Metro. It won't be on Metro or SBC Channel. Oh, no, but what do you mean? Because he says, I'm not going to play this. It means he's not going to play it on his CD player. No, no, no, no, no. He's not going to play on Metro FM. He's not going to compile it. 35:55 He's not going to compile it, yes. 35:57 That's an allegation. So now, I'm telling you. So hold on. You never paid payola, right? I didn't say that. Oh, so you did play payola? I didn't say that either. Okay. I just don't want to comment about it. Okay, I understand that. But don't you think that Lerato Hanyaho being placed on a song is a form of payola? 36:16 It's a favor, right? 36:17 Yeah, it's a favor. Because she's not really doing anything for the song. Look, she's not producing, she's not singing. To me, why is she on the song? Payola. But you agree to it? Well, because my song is to play. Nati is going to put it on. You know what I'm saying? So if I don't agree, my songs won't play on SABC because, you know, they're brothers and sisters. They know each other. It's a cartel. It's a cartel. A cartel. 36:40 That's a criminal organization. 36:44 Exactly. The things we go through in the music industry is people just think you make a song and it plays on radio. No, it's not like that. You understand what I'm talking about. There's PR that has to happen. What is PR? There's plugging that has to happen. How do you plug? Pick on plugging what he said, what he used to do. The record label spends money for the record to be played on radio stations. And I don't think Reggie... 37:05 I think Reggie knows it, but there's a structure. It's a cartel. No one wants to talk about it. It's a cartel. It's a cartel. 37:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me. 37:13 There's a structure and a group of people that are breaking the law in the system. 37:21 Because how I know Reggie to be growing up was your song, every Reggie station has... 37:30 A criteria. 37:31 Criteria, yeah. Exactly. If you know the criteria of a radio station, right? 37:38 Of the music they want to play in their station. So if you meet those… It's called a format. Yes. If you meet those, then your song plays. 37:47 Well, then is there something you want to say before he carries on? No, I wanted him to continue. But yeah, like, you know, like, yeah. 37:53 You seem to be scared of Nazi, man. How powerful is he though? 37:56 How powerful is he? What do you mean? How powerful is he? 37:59 No, I heard his story. 38:00 Yeah. And I just said, yo, Natty's a nice guy. I don't advise... Who is Natty's dad? No, it's a question. Who is Natty's dad? And you know it. What do you mean? I don't. Is he a trust baby? I've had a great relationship with Natty. You know what I mean? Who's Natty's dad? I don't know. But he knows. He's just acting like he doesn't. I've never been offered anything by Natty. I've never taken anything from Natty. You know what I mean? Like, I've had a great relationship. Like, I started in the business... No, well, I started in the business in 2007 when I first did my LO project in high school in grade 11. 38:34 Part of my LO project was to job shadow. And I was job shadowing JJ. I was taking JJ's job at Badabing. He was about to leave Badabing and work at SABC or MTV or something. or something else. You know what I mean? And I had to do what JJ used to do, which is go to the SABC library on a Tuesday and then go submit music, put the coupling numbers, actually print the CDs and burn them. So all the people that are compilers and are inside the SABC building watched me grow up as a kid. You know what I mean? And they supported me as a kid that they saw grow up in front of their eyes. 39:07 So I never, ever had to do any additional favors or anything. Anytime I brought an artist, they'd be like, oh, Nota, we've seen you develop. You know what I mean? Is this the new artist that you're pushing right now? Let's support them. So that's the relationship I've had with everybody. So I know it sounds hard to believe, right? But unfortunately, that's the position I'm in. 39:26 Okay, hold on. 39:29 Okay, hold on. One minute. One minute. One second. One second. I've been speaking about radio in Payola. Okay. In this station. Our station. Which is the best in the country. Musically. I've been speaking about it. And I've been mentioning names. Right? And that name came out a couple of times. 39:50 Which names? 39:51 Nati. 39:51 Nati. Which Nati? 39:53 Metro FM. 39:54 Allegedly. Okay. 39:56 No, no, no. That one… I see what you're doing there. 39:59 I see what you're doing. 40:01 That one with Nati… They're both Nutty. Oh, okay. Okay. It's Nutty. It might be Zulu. There's no Eastern Cape brews that fuck up like that. 40:18 Allegedly. 40:19 Okay. So I've been complaining about this brew. Right? I've been complaining. And for me, it's how I've been complaining is that why do I feel like you own SABC? Okay. Who the fuck is your dad? 40:35 That's why I'm so desperate to understand who his dad is. Why don't you ask so easy? 40:43 You understand me? I'm just asking. Because this leader carries so much power and he builds... Let me give it to him. There's artists that he builds around Metro FM. KO is one of his favorite. Back in the days, Donald was one. He's my friend. I'm going to put it like that. Back in the days, Donald was his favorite. Cuesta. A couple of them. So Cuesta and them benefited from him? Back in the days. Okay. Okay. 41:11 That's why he can't talk shit about Natty. What do you mean? I've got nothing to say. That's shitty. No, no, no. I've got nothing shitty to say. What's wrong with me having nothing shitty to say? That's right, Chief. There's a lot that you don't say lately in the internet about yourself. It's fine. Keep it there. Let me finish. 41:32 So my issue with Natty is... Doc, why do you have so much power that the presenters like Moosley, whoever, whoever, whoever Scoop have to fucking kiss your ass to keep their jobs? 41:50 Who the fuck are you? Who is your dad? Who is your mom? How did you get the job? Why are you so powerful in the fucking building that we used to go 5am and shoot generations? 42:02 No, it's the other building. 42:04 That's the other building. 42:05 It doesn't matter. It's SMBC. 42:07 Okay. Yeah, it's fine. 42:08 Nigga, don't talk to me. I'm being notes. Don't talk to me. It's SMBC. 42:13 It is. 42:14 But it's Twin Towers. No! Don't talk to me. 42:17 You have never shot the show at SMBC. Shut up. 42:21 I have, actually. In 1999. 42:23 No, I'm bringing him. I'll finish you. No, I'm bringing him. No, no, no, no. I had my own TV show to you. It's not going to release. 42:30 It's not going to release. I wanted to agree. Before AMA2K were born. I wanted to agree with what he's saying. 42:36 I got conversations. I don't... 42:40 Me and AKG are talking, you know. And Nati was pissed off with AKG. What time are you talking? Well, it doesn't matter. It's a period of time. It's a period of time. No, what time? That doesn't matter. 42:51 Stop protecting people, bro. 42:53 It doesn't suit you. Okay, no problem. 42:56 The woman suits you, not the people. 42:58 We're talking in the context of there was something mentioned at Madlanga Commission to do with the Boutique Hotel in Northcliffe, which is near my offices, you know. So Nati is not talking to LKG because he's saying, you know, they're going to fire LKG. And there's other things that had happened. You said they were going to fire LKG? 43:19 Yeah. Or because of the husband? Because of Kaminta? 43:23 Yeah. I'll show you. I'll send to the messages where I'm saying, no, we're with you. We know what's happening, but we're with you. It's got nothing to do with, you know. 43:35 There's a point she says, she's scared. Like Spiso says, I do want to work and talk and do this, but Nati has to answer my calls. It's more like kissing Nati's ass. 43:49 I understand. Okay, kissing Nati's ass. But to the extent that she'd ask her husband to tell Musa Kawora to publish bullshit about you, I don't know whether they did that. Isn't she your friend? That's what I'm saying. Who is his friend? I doubt that he's having any conversations with... If what you're saying is true, if the allegations are true that people have got files on him, people are also coming for him, people are targeting him, he's been involved or implicated in funny business, I don't think he would be having conversations with Musa Kaola because that's a nigger that will burn you. 44:22 You can have him today on your side the next day. You had Tammy here before. 44:29 And there's a case going on between Tammy. We don't do that. Tammy and Bloom Bombo. 44:36 Yeah. 44:36 And Blue is one of the girls that I trained to be a TV presenter. Isn't the one that Musa Kaula said is pregnant now? So my understanding... Yes. So my understanding is... The sister of Brown. My understanding is this. So my understanding is this. My understanding is... My understanding is... Musa Kaula had posted something against Tammy and LKG. And then... 44:58 allegedly he had to take it down because Tami probably approached him and paid more because Musa Kaola is like I don't know the guy he's a double adapter yeah so he doesn't know me I don't know him but he's posting about me so here's what I'm saying Tami probably approached Musa and maybe paid more. And then that post that Musa Kaula had made against Tami and LKG went down. And now Musa Kaula starts attacking Yirumbombo. 45:29 Blumbombo. 45:30 Which is your talent. 45:31 Yeah, that's my talent. 45:33 Okay. 45:34 And he goes in, goes in, goes in on her. You know what I mean? And… I'm not making an allegation to say Tami paid Musa Kaola to post about me. Tami, what? Tami. Tami Ndala. Tami Ndala, yes. Tami. Tami Ndala, yeah. 45:49 The Rich Liga. 45:50 I don't know him. 45:51 The Rich Liga who's not hungry. 45:53 The first time I met Tami, the first time I met Tami, was this year, I think two, three weeks ago. 46:00 I was at Runbe Court. We're in the same office. He doesn't know who I am. I know who he is because he's all over social media. 46:06 That was when he was arrested. 46:08 When he came out. 46:09 Yeah, when he was coming out. 46:10 Yeah, when he came out. When he came out of... Why were you there? 46:14 I was there for... Your own case? My own case. Okay, cool. Yeah. So, I didn't say hi to him. He doesn't say hi to me. But he's there talking to people. There's no honor amongst you. I'm sitting there, you know. So, if I had an issue with Tami, I would have addressed it. Because I'm straightforward. I'd say, yo, Tami, why did you pay Musa Kaula or this and that? But I'm saying to you, the one I've got beef with, is this SABC employee who gets a salary from SABC. Name, please. Nati. You understand? So he's trying to steal what I worked hard for. 46:45 You must do your job. So this Munese or Nati, my message to them is, stay off my dick. 46:54 I got nothing to do. You go and make your own music, do your own artist and put them out there. I got nothing against you. 47:01 But leave my artist alone and stop doing this character assassination on me. I've done nothing to you. I'm never in front of the camera. This is the first time. 47:11 Although I deal with equipment, I deal with TV presenters, I deal with actors, I deal with talent. Mm-hmm. You deal with Bloom Bombo, who's their enemy right now. 47:20 Hold on. I want to get you the core of this. 47:23 I want the list of the artists that this nigga is trying to take or took. 47:28 So MSA… And why is he only taking from you? Because… I'm continuing your question. Relax. 47:34 My bro, this is my show today. I'm drunk. 47:38 Okay? 47:40 It's going to count in court because I said I'm drunk. 47:42 So he tried to take MSA, Lady Steezy, which is Naledi. I know Lady Steezy. And then he tried to take… There's a girl we used to work with. She's… He brought her actually through Oskido, Zetu. And we're about to sign… Zetu? Yeah, Zetu. 48:03 I have a situation with Zetu today as in Tuesday. 48:06 See, so Z2, we've made a lot of music with Z2 and we're supposed to put out the music. The next thing, I'll show you my shots with Z2 because she's saying, but listen, we never signed. Why am I on your website? At the time, Natty was pushing that I signed Z2. 48:20 How did you end up with Josquito? 48:23 No, she's been with Oskido, I think. She's been with Oskido for the longest time. And Oskido trusts Natty. And, you know, so it was a situation where, you know, I think Oskido gave Natty permission to say, you, look, I like what you guys are doing there. 48:36 Please take one minute, one second. Guys, guys, you motherfuckers are the gatekeepers of this fucking industry. Why does Natty have a good relationship with... Mosquito. Whatever. And whatever. What the fuck are you guys doing? 48:53 What do you mean? 48:53 Why are you gatekeeping these fucking kids, bro? Like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now, it's a full-on chessboard. Hey, you know how to be cooperative when you're scared. No! 49:09 I don't have artists active right now. 49:11 I have a couple of artists that can research and then block them. 49:16 Artists can also see you on a podcast and you say something that can affect their career. 49:20 Look, let me finish. 49:21 Got a fiduciary obligation to protect them. 49:23 Let me finish. Right. Guys, radio has rules and things that you must meet. 49:34 Mm-hmm. 49:34 The rules you must meet is if your song is like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, it qualifies to play on radio. We don't have to play for that shit. 49:45 You got me? I got you. I was with Donald over the moon. 49:49 When over the moon was big, we were all over all reality stations and we didn't pay payola for no shit. 49:55 But it started on Metro. 49:57 Right? 49:59 You understand what I'm saying? Can we please go back there? Bruh, if you are a registration director and CEO or whatever, the big boss, fire these motherfuckers. These motherfuckers make money. 50:13 They making money, bro. They selling us a play. 50:17 Mm-hmm. 50:18 These motherfuckers, all of them, there's a WhatsApp group. Mm-hmm. Let me tell you right now. Mm-hmm. I'm not in it. You said you don't have an artist. And I know you're scared when shit hits the fan. Mm-hmm. You only are talking about Bruce, no smart man. 50:36 Mm-hmm. What do I mean? 50:40 Stop it. Regis should be free as long as you met the necessary requirements. 50:46 Mm-hmm. 50:47 I got you. Why are we paying 50k for higher rotation? 50:51 Why? That's not fair. 50:53 But why are you earning so much as well? 50:55 No, no, no. It's not your business and original compiler. We're making opportunities for this piece. 51:01 I'm playing devil's advocate. Come on. I'm not taking it personally. Relax. 51:05 He's protecting his people. 51:06 No, I'm asking you a question. 51:08 Answer it properly. Hello, guys. This is how we got Nota. He's a gatekeeper. Mm-hmm. 51:16 Because I signed an artist that you don't know. 51:20 And I want the song to play on radio. And it meets the criteria. But now I must pay 50k for it to be on high rotation. It's because of people like Nolta. And then they say they made the game. No. They destroyed the game. 51:35 Tell us. 51:37 He destroyed again because he was willing to pay 50k from Gude to be on high rotation. But he can't open his mouth now because the potato is hot. 51:49 He said, hold on. 51:58 Let me finish. I'll get Liza. Liza can be here for as long as I want. No nota. This is a different ball. For as long as I. No nota. I know he makes all of us, but… Liesel. 52:16 No, no, no. Relax. 52:18 So what I'm trying to say is that… People like Nota come out here and call out Tito and all of them and all of them, but he's never called out a compiler in his life. But he and Leroy allegedly paid compilers for the songs to be on high rotation. 52:35 Never. 52:36 I'm telling you. 52:37 You can talk about Leroy, not me, nigga. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I said allegedly. Okay, you can say that. I've never done that. Gizwabat. I'm just saying. Gizwabat. I don't have a fridge. Gizwabat. How can I pay compilers? Gizwabat. 52:51 You understand what I'm saying? So when they were running Rep Life, they pay their fair cut. 52:58 Until they go to the right books. 53:01 You understand what I'm saying? So he can't sit here and act like he doesn't know what I'm speaking about. He knows very well. 53:07 He knows, he chooses not to address it. He bought his pot. He bought it. 53:12 No, but to both my brothers. Nota's my brother. Fiso is my brother. We've worked. 53:18 Even you, we've worked. All of us. Even here, his family. Your whole team, we've worked. 53:24 To Nota's defense, though, I'm saying Nota said that he came up under the system of the SABC. He was interning. He was working there. So they knew him. So when they know you, maybe you don't need to pay. Because maybe that's the reason you couldn't pay. However, just hold on, Fiso. However, don't turn a blind eye to what's happening. Even if it didn't happen to you, it didn't happen to you. I'm not invalidating you guys' stories. It did happen. These things do happen. Moneys have to be paid. So let me tell you a story about one of my homeboys. 53:55 I'm not going to mention his name. 53:58 He goes to the SABC and says, I've been paying payolas. These guys are extorting me money. How come my artist didn't win the Metro FM award? 54:08 And then they say, come report it. It's fine. And then they organize a conference room or where they're going to talk about the boardroom, where they're going to talk about it. 54:19 So the brother gets there. 54:20 They tell him, listen. 54:22 remember there's two people in this deal. There's the one extorting and then there's one who's bribing. They're both partaking. 54:30 So you tell us who it is that extorted money out of you for your songs to play and for you to win the Metro FM Awards. 54:37 And they say, look, we've brought, we take this so serious and you can see the cops are there waiting. 54:44 Whoever you mention who's an SABC employee, which is Natty, whoever you mention, He's going to go to jail. He's going to get arrested right now because he's extorting. 54:54 But whoever's also doing the pain, that's bribery. They also go to jail. 54:59 Yo, my brother's like, nah, actually I was joking. Because 22. I was like, nah, I was just joking. Nah, nothing. Nothing. There's nobody getting paid. Nobody's losing. So that's where they get you. So... 55:16 We're stuck. It's a catch-22. If you do, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. 55:22 So we know that, you know, there's a fee for your music to be played. Chief, we're at work here. But you can't talk about it. If you talk about it, if you talk about it, you're a participant. 55:37 And if you're a participant and this is a crime, then you also go to jail. Mm-hmm. 55:43 That's where the problem is. That's where Natty gets his power. Superpower. 55:47 His superpowers. You can't talk about him. I'm not here to talk about, yo, I paid Natty this. No, I'm just saying he must stop what he's doing. He wants a record label. Let him, you know, start his own record label, his own artist, and so on and so forth. You know, big record levels, they don't invest in artist development. You schooled me on this. You were talking to me. You were saying, listen, Liso, you're spending too much on these artists. How about you just do a compilation or you do this and that and release this? 56:17 We spoke. Is it last year or this year? February. We spoke in February. He said, stop spending too much money on these artists. 56:24 Around Valentine's. Around Valentine's. We're running away from Deo Tohanya. 56:27 Yeah. Yeah. 56:29 It was her season. 56:37 So I took it upon myself to invest money into these artists. 56:41 Yeah. Local artists. I know. You know what I mean? 56:44 I spent a lot of money on them. now that they're blowing up they're like terminating and in the termination letters which I've sent to the producer they're mentioning Nati I showed you actually they're mentioning Nati because we had parted with so me and Nati I tried to communicate with Nati he wasn't picking up my calls he's not replying my whatsapps so I said to him look keep away from my artist and I'll keep away from your associates. Don't communicate with my associates, my managers, the people who run the business because I don't run the business. 57:15 I've got people, I've got managers, I've got employees that are running the business. 57:18 So he's doing them pop-ups? Yeah. 57:21 He just popped up. So I said, I will also keep away from your associates. So his associates are who? OKG, Naked, you know, what's her name? 57:32 What's her name? 57:34 Roxy. So I stopped communicating with them. I removed them from my songs. That's the reason I removed them because they are Natty's connection. Natty brought them. The only one I didn't remove is Naked because that dude is cool. He's cool as fuck. Like, yo, he's cool as ice. He's gonna get fired for being cool. Why? He's on Netflix. He's a good guy. He's good. He's cool. Don't worry. He's a cool dude. 57:56 So if you check, the music is still out there. It's Naked with Ladysmith Black Mambazo because he's a cool dude. I couldn't just find it in my hand to remove him. So the ones are removed because these are not his associates. Okay, hold on. 58:11 I'm watching this interview. I'm a pal, sir. I want to know one thing. What is it that you want me to know or clear about or make me understand about and conclude the entire interview on what is the real issue and how can we tackle it and that's it. I don't want to ask who did what, who went where, who went right. Okay, I'm watching. I'm a palcer. 58:37 What is it that you want me to know, Lizzo? 58:40 Please. What's your point? My point is this. 58:44 I worked so hard for many years to build a record label. I just want people to stop interfering in my business. People being? Nati, Munese, and his associates. The people who are trying to dirty up my name. Tamin Zana. 59:00 I don't know him personally. I don't want to talk about him. But he's the paymaster for Musa Kaul. I don't know. Well, I don't have receipts to say he did this. We're seeing that because he's posting your former artist, Bloom Bombo, the whole time. 59:13 Bloom Bombo says... 59:15 No. Or presents. No, it's a presenter. I trained her to be one of them. 59:17 It's almost talent. 59:19 Either way. 59:19 It's an artist. 59:20 It's an artist. You're talent when you've got potential. You become an artist once you've brought that potential. 59:27 I just want to make music. 59:29 This side of the business, I want to make music. I want to put good music out. I want to continue with my business. If they want to make their own record label, make your own record label. Leave me alone. Leave my artist. We've got contracts. Let me do me. You do you. Mm-hmm. 59:42 Stay off what I'm doing. I got a family to feed. Right. And I didn't invest. It's not a charity. I'm trying to make a profit. Nobody invests to get exactly the money that they put in the business. You invest to make a profit. I'm trying to make a profit. And they're fucking that up for me. No running charity. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. How are they fucking it up? What's the problem? So they're whispering into the art. So they've taken MSA, signed the Undermoon SA records. They've taken Naledi. 60:06 they're telling these people to terminate based on I have not paid them royalties but the artist don't know that I'm not supposed to pay them the royalties. Needle time royalties. It's from Samro. Sampra. Sampra, Samro, they pay to the publisher. Publisher gives them directly. The money doesn't come to my account. 60:26 Well, Sampra pays 50% to the record label and 50% to the actual performer. 60:30 Do you understand what I'm saying? Let me add, let me add, let me add. Okay. Let me add. 60:35 So when artists say you must pay us royalties, there's performances royalties. So you are talking publishing only. So now, based on where you distributed your music, based on where you distributed your music or who you distributed your music, the artists should make a couple of percentages. 60:52 Okay. That's distribution. That's not performance. So distribution. Now, remember my artists were not popular last year. Mm-hmm. 61:01 New Year's Eve, we had a party. You know about it? Yeah. 61:05 After New Year's Eve... I hosted it. Yeah. After New Year's Eve... That was a bad party, huh? 61:11 It was a big party. Can you host? 300 plus people at the party. 61:13 Can Nota host? 61:15 Yeah, it was dope. Trust me. Check it out. 61:18 I spent a lot of money. Nota knows. 61:21 I spent a lot of money... In an open bar with Hennessy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We never had that. It was a huge party. 61:28 And then right after the party... 61:31 artists are leaving the record label. And we've never received a cent from streams, from streaming, from distribution. 61:39 By the time we're receiving, there's this dude called Lindsay from the UK, or he's got a UK accent, so he was distributing for us via Empire. He stole my song, actually. I remember when it was released, this guy stole it. 61:55 Motherfucking asshole. I deal with him. I'm still dealing with him. So now... He gives me 20k. He says, I'm not sure if I've only made 20,000. So then, so then... Where's the cap? For distribution. So then, I call the artist. We have a meeting. Samike and Misokuto, let's have a meeting. They came with their parents. I had back, I don't know how many people in my office. You know how small my office is. It's not too big. The office itself. You know, I had people standing up saying... 62:19 It was based on equipment, not people. 62:21 Yeah. So they're like... 62:22 you've made a lot of money from Mamanuva. 500, it's a platinum selling record. You've made over 500,000. Why don't you give the kids, each one, maybe 250, 250, or give them 200, 200, you can keep your hand. I said, that's not how music works. I've only received 20K. You are lying. You are lying. This 20K is not enough. I'm like, here's a statement. 62:43 This is what's coming. Now, we need to look at how do we distribute this 20K. Because also, in America or overseas, they do advances. Advances here is maybe the rentals you're paying, it would be the upkeep for the artist, the expenses. This 20K does not mean it's going to go to the artist. What am I doing if I'm going to give this whole 20K to them? Exactly. So the accountant has to come in and now... 63:08 slice it up and say, this is what goes to Samike, to whoever. And whatever they owe me, it's not like they have to pay everything up front. It's over a period of time. Remember, they're still signed under the contract. They refuse that 20K. They refuse for us to speak that 20K. So it's being kept in a trust account. I have the money there. I've got proof for it. You know what I mean? And then, obviously, over the months, Now they're terminating. I've sent a termination letter to the producer, which, you know, you'll see. But that was like long term. How much has it accumulated since then? It's a couple of funds. It's there. 63:38 And I'm more than happy to show. And I told the artists, they can bring their own auditors to come and audit. But if they've blocked me and they still owe me and I haven't recouped my money, what do we do? I'm not saying they mustn't leave. If they want to leave, cool, they can leave. But how do I recoup the money that I've spent? 63:56 Okay, fine. You're not paying them the money. 63:57 The money is in trust. 63:58 How are you able to punish them? That's only 20. 64:01 Remember, not only 20. That's only streaming money. 64:05 But on the management deal, when they perform, I'm supposed to receive 40%. They take 60%. They've been doing tours in Europe. England, Ireland, wherever. I saw them at Mahou's party. They're doing all those. They're performing. Where's my money? They've never paid me my money. So how are they claiming their money when... So it's right for them to claim their money, but I can't claim for my money. Performances. So there's... 64:27 breaching of contracts, the management contract, they've breached it. The record deal contract, they've breached it. The publishing contract, because they're trying to claim money from Samoa, they've breached it. Okay. Excluding me. So they want to take 100% of Amangueba, 100% of Lengueba. I was like, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on to that money. Don't read easy to anybody until we settle this. That's how it works. Okay. So we're about to go to court. My lawyer is busy with this. My legal team is busy with it. So... You and who? You and them or you and Nati? No, me and them. So I've sent emails. But isn't this about Nati? 64:57 Nati caused the problem. 64:59 Okay. Nati… And he walks away. And he walks away. 65:02 Let me help close this chat. Right? Do you remember my last question was… Yeah. I'm watching this conversation and interview. What do you want me to take home? 65:13 Yeah. 65:14 I'm going to ask him, Olizo, to close this conversation for us. 65:19 Lovely. 65:20 Thank you. 65:21 Okay. 65:23 It is simple. 65:25 Um… I just want to do business. I'm not in front of the camera. I'm not on social media. 65:36 I've created, I've put a voice. I've breathed life into these artists' careers. Now they've got followers because I paid for that. 65:47 Now they've got numbers. They've got monthly listeners. 65:52 Let's honor the contract. 65:54 Stop trying to dodge saying I'm trying to put the music down and so on and so forth. Of course, that's the only power I got. I've got the contract. Do you understand what I'm saying? So wherever they're going to go and sign, I've written them emails. I've sent to the producer. She'll show you the emails. I'm simply saying, let's conclude our business first. Let's dialogue. There's no way you can just walk out. And you can't bully me or intimidate me to going back to Zambia because I've invested money. This is my family's money. I need my money. 66:24 Let me get my money back. So what are they saying? 66:27 They're going to try and have you deported for what reason? 66:31 You've been here for too long. too long. They sent home affairs to my offices, bro. Home affairs came there. I'm like, yo, what's happening? And I wasn't there. I said, wait for me. So I called the cops. I called my security. By the time the cops were there, the home affairs guys had left the car. So we followed them to Pretoria with my lawyer. And we addressed it. We said... 66:54 Don't you think if somebody's illegal, they should be in jail or deported? Yeah, prove it. 66:58 Yeah, okay. 66:58 And don't you think if somebody, all these things they're putting out, sexually assaulted an artist or a female... Which one? Lady Steezy. Oh. Yeah. So they're saying... Never, never. 67:08 Okay, good. 67:09 So I said, do you know how it is? How hard it is? So, as a young black male... Mm-hmm. 67:15 Not only a young black male. On top of that, I'm a foreigner. I'm not South African. 67:19 If I touched Lady Steezy, if I touched a girl, gender-based violence with what's going on now. You've got a daughter. Your daughter's what? 67:26 Your daughter's 20 years old. 67:28 I babysat your daughter. Do you understand what I'm saying? Your baby what? 67:31 I babysat his daughter. 67:33 Because on New Year's Eve, while we're doing a party, they sent cops. They arrested me. I was in Hebrew cells. Mm-hmm. 67:41 They say I was discharging a gun. I was shooting a gun. And she's so well behaved. They said, they said, the allegation was, I went to Berea or Hubru, took out a gun, pointed at this guy. I shot, but I missed. How do you miss point blank? And then this guy who I shot at and I missed point blank, picked up my cartridge of a bullet and went to Hubru police station and reported the case. Between December 9th to January 7th, I was arrested probably five times. 68:11 Right. 68:12 And who's behind all these arrests? 68:13 No, hold on. 68:14 We don't. 68:14 Lizzo. Lizzo. 68:16 Yeah. Okay. 68:17 I want you to give me a number of people. 68:21 A number and name of people that I must bring on the show for the right of reply. 68:27 Thank you. 68:28 At the end of the day. I'll give you. One. 68:30 Who is it? Natty. Natty. Two. 68:35 Okay. We can have Natty here. 68:37 LKG. We can't have LKG. She's not on our level. 68:40 No, that's my sis. 68:42 No, she's not on our level. 68:42 Remember what I said? 68:44 She's my sis too. There's no beef between me and LKG. But the last meeting I had with LKG was stop making music with my artist. This shit won't go nowhere. And her replied to me, Face to face, she looked at me in the eye and says, you can't tell me who to make music with. I'll make music with whoever the fuck I want to make music. Yeah, she must go to El Tito. 69:04 Three? 69:04 No, no, no, it's fine. Three? No, no, we need a name. Everybody deserves a right of reply to how long you're a journalist. 69:14 No, that's all good. No, we're going to wrap it here. MSA. MSA needs to have the right to reply. 69:19 I've got his numbers. Yes, yes, yes. So, I want to thank you for coming to the show. Yeah. Thank you. By the way, I'm dropping a song, 25th of November. 69:26 With who? With who? My other artists are certified. Certified? Yeah. Certified. 69:31 Mark is not going to get a hold of that artist anymore. 69:36 Do they know that you supply us with cameras and film equipment here? I don't think they do. I said it in the beginning. I don't think they do. I said it. 69:42 I don't think they do. What's your name of the company? The film company? On-Q Interface. On-Q Interface Gear Rental. So, them saying my lifestyle, Musa Kaola saying that my lifestyle is based on me making money from music. Come on, man. My lifestyle has been like that before I made a cent from music. You shoot the biggest podcast in Africa. The biggest podcast in Africa. I was eating your money from the gears. Come on, man. Come on, man. 70:07 Get the fuck out of here. 70:09 Yo, bro. This is how we close the interview with my brother right here, Lizzo. 70:17 We're going to allow everybody to have right of reply. Yeah. If you want, just hit up Doodoo and the network. 70:24 And the SABC must come and reply. 70:27 I don't know about the SABC. I don't work for SABC. 70:30 But your mic? 70:32 Your mic? Just adjust your mic, yeah? Kina from the SABC, that's Natty's boss. Because I wrote to her. I wrote her a WhatsApp and I said, look, Natty this, this, this, that. And she says to me… Is Kina his wife? No, Kina is the boss. Kina is Natty's boss. Is he his wife? No. No, he's not. He's the manager. She's not. She's the manager to Nazi. 70:50 She manages Nazi. Yeah. Right. Why do you need a manager as a radio compiler? You are controlled by SABC. 70:58 SABC has got... Thank you so much for coming, bro. We appreciate you. 71:03 Thank you for your truth. My shoulders are heavy. Whoever wants to come can come through for a round of reply. On to the next houses. 71:11 They can't come back. Shut up. 71:15 Yeah, don't you support Chiefs? 71:18 No, I don't. 71:18 I'm at Sundowns. You're at Sundowns. 71:20 I'm Chiefs. But didn't you lose money because you bet on you? 71:23 I've never bet in any. Keza Chiefs Pirate, they're no soccer team for me, bro. They're the best publicity we have in the country. 71:31 Congratulations to your team, Shane. You guys won yesterday. You guys won the derby. 71:36 Why not my team? Why not my team? 71:38 So you're a fact as usual. Hold on, why not my team? 71:41 Oh, you're Pirate. But that was offside. I probably scored as well. That was ruled offside. So you were in fact as usual. But you were older goal. No, we don't have VAR. So you are Chiefs? Yeah. 71:50 No, I don't have big bombs. I have big bombs? Chiefs, yeah. 72:03 Why are you asking the fucking obvious kind of question? I'm eating well, man. I'm eating right. So that's why you have like... I'm very healthy. Can you see how good I am? How good I look? Do you have some of your skin niggas? You look good today. You don't have some of your skin niggas? No, no, no, no. 72:18 Before you intro, Sakhalan looks good today. 72:22 It's the only day I would say the komba makombo. 72:25 Because it looks good today. Everything I wear is quality. I tested it. I'm seeing it. Tabugayo. 72:33 And I'm proud of you because you learn and say, And you do what you did. I'm proud of you. This looks great. You look amazing. I'm proud of you. This is actually my merch. I'm wearing me today. 72:44 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll drop it next week. Your quantity improved. No, I'll drop it next week, man. So we need to keep rocking you. But for the Aviatrix fans, this one's for you. Our partners at Halud Bits bring you the Aviatrix tournament with a share of over 280,000 rand in cash up for grabs every week until 13 November. Every bet enters you into the daily tournament and any reward is claimed in the game. For new customers, sign up for a Hollywood Bets account through our link in the pinned comment below. For existing customers, just log in and play. 73:14 Thus, for 18 and over, gamble responsibly and do T's and C's apply. Let's go. 73:21 What is on your pass? 73:23 What's on my pass, bro? 73:26 My pass has been coming, bro. It's been long overdue. Yeah. My pass has been long overdue. And I asked for permission last episode. And I looked at it like my nigga, but it's public knowledge. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. So no ta, it's on my fucking pass tonight. And it's right. No, I can't hear you. Give the mic. I'm not going to say my pass until you say. The mic is right there. 73:56 The mic is right there. 73:57 It's right there by you. 74:00 Why two three? 74:02 No ta, why you fucking dealing with them kids, man? 74:08 Why are you fucking arguing with them kids? 74:10 It's not a question and answer session. Do your pulse. 74:14 Right. 74:14 Some of my pulses, you're my goat. 74:18 No, never. 74:19 You're my goat. 74:20 Never. 74:20 No, you're my goat. No, never. When I knocked into your door when I was still ugly. 74:25 When you're a thug. 74:27 You said I looked like a thug. 74:30 I get it, respect it, and I take it home to my kids. My kids will know that you said I look like a thug. 74:37 Mm-mm. 74:38 I can't. 74:39 That's why I closed the door on you. Yes. My kids will see. Because you weren't there to see me. My kids will see. 74:45 Who were you there to see? My kids. Who were you there to see? 74:49 You were at my door. 74:49 I was there to see young Achim. 74:51 Staying with me. 74:53 I don't know. You were staying with him or he was staying with you. But. 74:57 Who closed the door for you? 74:59 You. 74:59 Exactly. 75:00 Because you are not busy. He was busy. 75:03 It was my door. 75:06 Okay. Let's get to the right point. 75:08 Get to your point. 75:09 So my nigga. 75:11 I'm just eight years older than you. 75:15 That's a long distance. It's not. It's not a decade. No, it's almost. You can't round that off. 75:22 You can. You went to school. Yeah. You went to school, Nota. There's no school. Nota, no! There's no stage in school where you spend eight years there. Nota, Nota, Nota, Nota, Nota. Maybe you do. Nota, this is my show. It's public knowledge. Yeah, say what you want to say. I'm going to speak on public knowledge. 75:40 Okay. 75:40 Right? I've been burning, my nigga. 75:42 Shame, man. I've been burning. Shame. 75:45 Shame. Yeah, you've been burning. I'm saying shame. 75:48 Okay, fine. 75:50 Shane, switch off that mic. 75:55 Is it off? 76:01 I'm crying. 76:03 Because they're using my gold to get to the top. 76:09 They're using my gold. Nothing is my gold, bro. 76:14 Why is honey? 76:19 using my quote as a follow-up from YouTuber to podcasters to get to the top. 76:26 Mm-hmm. 76:30 Fuck that. 76:31 I don't like it. This is my quote. Mm-hmm. 76:38 My nigga, next time, my man, do your research, ask the last question. You see what I made in my hand? 76:44 I said, who did you master with in the industry? One of them was Robot Boy. You get me. I asked. You get me. 76:58 But you get me. You're like Casper in your vest. One of them was Robot Boy. And it's not a lot of them. 77:05 I actually know only about Robot Boy. 77:09 You understand? So if Robot Boy pull up and say, haha, Johanna, I'll be like, nah, she told me. 77:16 Robot Boy would never do that. He's a respectful boy. He's not a small boy. 77:18 You understand? 77:19 He's a booty. 77:20 And I had that chat with Robot Boy and be like, yo, Mahani told me you guys kissed. They never fought. No, no, no, no. Mahani was already famous when Mahani was, when my wife, was on social media, she was bigger than Robot Boy because she was called Miss Quick Balance. 77:43 So she had more numbers than Robot Boy every time on Twitter. 77:51 So she told me, nobody else can pull up and say, oh, no, I know your honey. No, you don't know my honey. 78:00 Do you understand? So the research was made and died. 78:05 My God! 78:06 Who is that show you went to when you met this honey? Beautiful honey. She's beautiful. Which honey? Your wife. Your woman. 78:13 Enzo. 78:15 What show was it? I don't know if it was. I don't know where they met. 78:17 I know you remember. 78:20 I don't think he'll answer. It was an American artist. Oh, Mansour Main or something. Nah. 78:26 Not that. Tell your story, chief. 78:30 I don't know where you got your story from. 78:32 If you're sober when you got it. Never. Never. 78:34 You said you made a handy and she was excited. 78:38 No. 78:39 You forgot? 78:39 No. That's not where I met my lady. I met my lady at a party I hosted with Lizzo. 78:46 Continue. 78:51 No, I'm drunk today. 78:52 Okay. 78:53 So I'm going to be real with you. 78:54 Be real. 78:57 I had beef with Bruce. Mm-hmm. Right? Okay. Bruce is a kick. Okay. And so? 79:03 No. 79:04 Close that mic. 79:08 He's going to interrupt me. 79:10 No, I'm not. I need you to say what you want to say. And I'm not attacking him. We've got important things to talk about. And I'm not attacking him. When? 79:19 What I'm saying is that, bro, you're my god. Mm-hmm. Right? 79:24 I don't expect you to be protecting somebody's history you're not aware of or you've been told of. 79:32 There's nothing that I've been told of that I'm not aware of. 79:35 Nah, those boys fucked that kid, man. 79:37 Oh, damn. Those boys. Is that what you're saying? Is that an allegation? 79:41 No! You must remember. 79:42 Hold on. It's allegedly. No, there's a crime called criminal injuria. Now, if you want to be added to the role of people that are going to be charged with criminal injuria, if you want the police to come knock on your door, prevent you from taking your kids to school and stuff like that, you can continue making an allegation. You understand what I'm saying? I sat on all the smoke. 80:01 You understand? If you watched all the smoke sober, you would know. 80:05 I know everything. There's nothing I don't know. There's nothing that was not clear on all the smoke. And I said to that little boy on all the smoke that, yo, you should have Didi Mallard. Kept your mouth shut. Why? Because there's nothing that I do not know. I gave you 17,000 Rand Gucci shoes. Me, personally. 80:26 You understand? As in keep your mouth shut. 80:29 Now, if that boy was chasing around little 19-year-olds, they were not my age range. They were not my age group. Do you understand? 80:37 My minimum for dating is dating 21. Minimum. 80:42 I don't even talk to anyone under 21. Do you understand what I'm saying? 80:47 So that boy is El Tito's employee. He gets sent by El Tito to come and make my 21-year-old lady look bad. 80:58 Things that... Robot boy would never do. Nobody would do. Do you understand what I'm saying? 81:04 That's how much of a small boy he is. That's how much of a big guy I am. Any Tom, Dick, and Harry can use me to get famous. Do you understand? That's power. That's influence. I understand it and I wield it properly. 81:17 And that's something your woman knows of. Who doesn't? 81:21 Who doesn't? 81:21 That's exactly what your woman knows of. 81:24 Who doesn't? 81:25 If I've been fucking YouTubers... 81:28 Who was fucking YouTubers? No, who was fucking YouTubers? Allegedly. Chief, you were fucking YouTubers, I'm sure. Allegedly. Because they go from OnlyFans to YouTube. Okay, continue. Allegedly. Not allegedly. It's on OnlyFans. Allegedly. People pay to see it. 81:40 That's cool. 81:41 Yeah. 81:41 I'm saying. 81:42 I'm just saying it's rich coming from. 81:44 Someone who fucked people who are living. 81:47 But I said, honey, I want to get to the top. 81:52 I fucked them YouTubers. YouTubers are getting me nowhere. Now I have one of the leaders. Who are you talking about that fucking YouTuber? I'm just saying. Let me talk. Talk, nigga. Okay, talk. I think you're happy, then I'll speak. 82:05 I want to know who was fucking them YouTubers. Let me talk. I'm just saying who was fucking them YouTubers. Yeah, talk. 82:10 Right? Talk. If you want to speak, I'll keep quiet. Talk, I know. Can I say my mind, bro? 82:15 You can say your mind. Right? If there is something. 82:18 And it's not to hurt you. 82:21 You can't hurt me. 82:22 It's to protect you. 82:23 You can't protect me. 82:24 Like, you don't know Tahi's history, so you can't put your finger or hand in the fire for Tahi. Okay. That's what I'm saying. 82:34 That's fine. 82:35 Because before that, there's more fires coming. And some of us have them. Okay. Hold on. 82:43 So what I'm saying to my goat. He made me. 82:49 He made me famous. 82:52 Now you're getting interviews. 82:55 You're on podcast with Lung Yad. 82:56 Yes. 82:57 They're paying you. 82:58 My goat made me. He bought me these shoes. 83:03 Not I bought me this shoe. 83:04 No, no, no. 83:04 You bought me this pants? 83:05 No, no, no. 83:06 From Coco? 83:07 No, no, no. I'm not JL. JL bought you those shoes. 83:10 Right? 83:11 Mm-hmm. Okay. 83:12 Say it again. Today is his day. 83:21 You can't rock me, dog. 83:22 You can't rock me, dog. I can't distract. I rock. 83:24 Today, I'm fine. 83:25 Okay. 83:32 You made me. 83:33 How? I told you. 83:35 That's what you said? 83:36 I said it. I'll repeat. 83:37 You bought my shoes? 83:38 No, I did not. 83:39 You did not? 83:39 No. 83:40 My pants? 83:41 I did not. 83:41 T-shirt? 83:42 I did not. 83:43 My wife? You paid them all for? 83:45 I don't talk about your wife. I respect you. 83:47 Thank you. 83:50 My issue with my god is… You're responsible for what happens now. Not the past. 83:58 Mm-hmm. 83:59 If I married you right now, I'm responsible for the day I married you. 84:05 I don't have to go to podcasts and be a podcaster whore. 84:10 To defend your past. I was not dead. 84:14 That's my issue with my goal. 84:18 Let the kids be kids. You chose to date a kid. At 21st. 84:26 That's fine. She's an adult. 84:29 Now, yes. Right. 84:31 So what I'm saying is, don't be out here arguing with Bruce. 84:37 Who's that other boy? I had no idea when I was coming on to the show that Bruce or any of the sorts would be there. So they got you. Who? 84:45 The producer got you. Who's the producer? Of the show. Who's the producer? 84:48 I don't know. 84:50 He paid for my fuel. Yes, he got me. He got you. He got me covered, yes. 84:55 You see, what I taught you is working. Don't go to people's podcasts for free. Let them pay for transportation. Imagine. You're learning something from me. Imagine. You're learning something from me? No, I did not. No, no, no. 85:08 I said it last episode and you applied it. 85:10 No. No, no, no. Lungelo paid me to come on to his podcast three years ago. Three years ago, Lungelo paid me to come on to his podcast. He came and faced me. This is my show today. Yes, it can be a show. 85:21 Don't be out here defending hoes. You don't know what they did in the past. Who are you saying as a ho? Don't do it. Who are you saying as a ho? Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Hoes can also reform to be good women. Like you. At some point. Like you. Yes. 85:38 You're a good woman now. 85:39 Like me. Good man. 85:42 Good man. 85:43 If I fuck your woman, you will never fuck her again. Oh, that's a lie. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. That's a lie. Try it. All the women you fucked are fucking other niggas right now. 86:01 Right now, every single woman you fuck. Because you fuck them on camera and you fuck them for money. You needed the money. You sold your dick, dog. There's nothing I can ever get from you, dog. There's no advice, dog. I'm a real dude. No woman ever paid for my sne- Okay, actually, these sneakers were bought for me by an artist. But I made her- These are bad. 86:22 You can say they're bad. They're bad. They're horrible. The woman that bought these for me, right? They're horrible. Is on the best selling songs in African music history. 86:30 No, you don't have style. You don't have style. I don't need to have style. To talk about clothes. I've got echolades. Shut up. Shut up. You don't have. My nigga. Clothes in this show is me. And then it's not. 86:41 You're the last one. No, it's not. My lady is buying me clothes now. Nah, your lady is wet. It's fine. It's fine. So... It's fine. She's buying me clothes. You know what? She's paying for them. She's my show. I want to help you. I want to help you. For access to their account to pay for them. Here's what I want to say to you, bro. She buys me clothes herself. She's working. She's a 9 to 5. You've been saying you have files. What files? 87:03 No, no, no. Wait. 87:05 Are you done with your pulse, dog? 87:06 I'm done with my pulse. 87:07 Let's go. Okay, your pulse is nice. Watch on your pulse, Taha. 87:10 Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. I just want to respond quickly. Watch on your pulse. 87:12 Let me respond quickly. Let me respond. I said everything I needed to say on all the smoke, dude. You know what I mean? And I think on all the smoke, the entire point was to say, Yo, this is like the friendly warning. 87:26 You know? Before the lights come out. It was to say, Yo, El Tito, your talent is getting paid less than 12k, nigga. We can bring them right here. Don't think you can use them against a bigger platform than you, dog. You understand? Keep your kids on a leash. Don't throw them into things that they're not involved in. I had all the smoke for El Tito, dog. I had no smoke for those kids. 87:45 But why is it about El Tito and El Tito never been with your hand? 87:48 Because he's an adult. We don't have features with El Tito and you go. We don't have... And so what? Why are we attacking El Tito? And so what? And so what? This is my response, right? 87:59 El Tito is platforming those kids. Do you understand what I'm saying? And then it doesn't matter. No, it's not about that. El Tito is then telling the kids to speak about things that they're not involved in. So you are captured in a video that's trending on the timeline. Nota is the name that's trending. Do you understand? And wait, at the same time, I sent that kid a voice note. I was like, yo, I'm the one that's trending. I'm the one that people are attacking. And you know, people attack me. 88:28 And you, adding on to the pylon makes you an op of mine. Are you really prepared to be an op of mine? I'm not 27 years old with no accomplishments to my life, except being a streamer or whatever. How old is Bruce now? 26, 27. You've never accomplished anything in your life. You've held a camera asking people that have accomplished things. You've got nothing to show for your existence. Your entire existence is online. You've got an entire online history, online record and everything else. And Nakita gets paid more than you, dog. 88:58 Do you understand that? 89:00 Nakita gets paid more than you. Do you understand? And then you're going to go onto your podcast, make funny jokes and try to insinuate, yo, trust me. My lady is a lady. I did the correct checks. No, no, no, no. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Right? Who she dated before I met her. She was under 21. At that point in time. Hold on. At that point in time... It had nothing to do with me. Ah, my God is back. So... No, hold on. Wait. No, just relax. 89:32 I'm making a point, right? My God is back. And the mere fact that... That little kid, right... 89:37 that dated her, decides he's going to now speak about it, shows that he's a small boy with no future whatsoever because he's willing to crash out because I'm the biggest G in the entire game. That's the thing. He wanted to get to the last number. He wanted to fight against Bison. Imagine. First stage of street fighter, you're fighting against Bison. Yes, sir. 89:57 Yes, Anya. And that's why I told him what I told him. And that was a friendly warning. But... But... Hold on. So means... No. Exactly. So, shut up. Let me say. I'm safe. I'm safe. 90:12 Not yet. You heard me. I fucked a girl. 90:15 And I said, I fucked a girl. Yeah? I fucked. Doesn't matter what... You came with a bigger dick than mine later on. Okay. Okay. You get me? Okay. You don't use another nigger's clout to gain clout. 90:28 So that's why the shots are for El Tito. Because he's the one that set up the kid. He's the one that ill-advised the kid. 90:45 The kid should have been advised, yo, just chill, dog. Hold on, hold on, just chill, wait. 90:50 El Tito's not that spicy, man. El Tito, what do you mean, dog? I know what Tito's capable of. 90:56 Like what? Like being a stepfather? 90:59 That's fine. You are unwilling to be a stepfather. Wait, don't tell me, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Would your children accept if you were raising another man's kid, your children? 91:08 Would they accept if you were raising another man's kids? Because Halloween happened this weekend. Kids were being taken by their fathers to go trick-or-treating because it's unsafe for kids to walk outside. Altino's kid had no one to take him trick-or-treating. 91:20 Altiro was busy doing Halloween shoots trying to be Kanye and Kim. Imagine. Imagine. That's when you call him a deadbeat, right? 91:28 His own son. 91:30 That looks just like him. Such a pretty little kid. But how do you know that? The son knows how to swim because his mother taught him how to swim, not his father. His father was just in the pool to say, oh damn, my son knows how to swim? God damn. God damn. Imagine that. My first memory of swimming was swimming in the ocean with my dad. Saving me from drowning. 91:50 You understand? My dad saving me. Not abandoning me. Not turning his back on me. So then why did you attack El Tito's lady? What do you mean, Abin? Abin saying that she's not good for him. And now he wants to continue dating that... You know... Let me just read... Hold on, hold on. Yeah? When you're a political prostitute, they say you're jumping from party to party. Wait, wait, wait. Who are you defending? Who are you defending? Who are you defending? Who are you defending? Who are you defending? Who are you defending? 92:18 If you're going to do that, you need to at least as a podcaster with balls. Yes. 92:26 Right? Yes. 92:27 Give me one politician that fuck this woman. Why would I do that? Why wouldn't you? Those politicians are not on my level, nigga. Why would I want to expose them? They got wives, nigga. Shit. What the fuck? 92:41 You understand what I'm saying? So, that's the thing about... When you try to laugh at another man's perceived downfall, what downfall is there, nigga? Niggas are trending. 92:53 about my business? My business is making other niggas train. Just imagine the influence. 92:59 It's like everyone wants a cup of my influence. Yo, come dip in the notapu. 93:04 Gonna choke on the tori. So yeah, that takes me to my pulse. 93:09 And my pulse is like, I can't believe that still Ramaphosa is not disgusted. 93:15 Disgusted. 93:16 Disgusted. Sviso himself has sleepless nights every day working his ass off to ensure he can provide for his daughter. Because God forbid she turns 18, goes to school, turns 19, goes to university. 93:29 And her dad cannot provide the life that other kids will relate to. You understand? 93:35 That's exactly the life we have for young black girls. Why don't I have Altito's number? The stage of desperation. I can give it to you. Search Tatumato and send on my phone. 93:45 Please send it. 93:47 And look at the state of our women. 93:52 It shows the state of our nation, dog. 93:55 If Kwera Mantasha has to jump on stage and say, no, it's not ANC culture that you need to sleep with a councillor to get service delivery. 94:05 It's the councillor's fault. He mustn't bring that culture into the ANC. It's ANC culture, dog. 94:13 The ANC has been running this country, dog. 94:17 And young girls are taught that to elevate yourself in life, you need to sleep your way to the top. It's a format. It's a standard. 94:25 Every young girl knows that if my dad is not rich, I have to sleep my way to the top. How can we live in a country like that? 94:33 How can we continue to live in a country like that? We've got bigger priorities than whether TikTokers are getting paid. I'm going to go back to the regular program. No, no, no. 94:43 I'm having my pause. I allowed you to have your pause. Do you think your woman is a virgin? 94:48 So, as I'm saying, right, as I'm saying, you know, as I'm saying, our young girls are vulnerable. And the state of our nation can be told in our young girls. Do you understand what I'm saying? The state of our nation can be said, our most vulnerable are the young girls. 95:11 And that's the state of the nation. The ANC Youth League has got no other priority than to make sure that young girls are safe. 95:19 This election season comes on the back of a serial killer in the East Rand targeting women. Women are not safe jogging. How can young girls be safe? 95:31 Do you understand? We've got record high teen pregnancy numbers. We've got teachers taking advantage of students. 95:39 Teachers being accused of sleeping with students. People in Soweto protesting outside the school. The teachers being placed on suspension. All of that shit is happening in this country. Do you understand what I'm saying? What's up? Hold on, let me have you say it. 95:53 You are live on Music Pulse, man. 95:58 Yes, hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't want you to be calling me and saying that, but why didn't you ask the right questions? I want you to ask the right questions yourself. I'm on the show. No, Tito, Tito. Wait, wait, wait. This is not what you taught me, bro. This is not what you taught me, bro. This is not what you taught me. So, the only way I can defend you or let you defend yourself is you speaking for yourself. Right? 96:28 So I got Nauta on the show and I got Nauta Halang on the show. 96:32 Right? 96:36 I've sorted out so many of your beefs. 96:41 I know. 96:42 I said it many times. So many of your beefs. Now, if the only reason why I would have a conversation if there's going to be a way to move us forward. There's no way to move us forward in this situation. Nota is choosing to be disrespectful. Up to now, I haven't said one thing about Nota. Not one. 97:07 Bear in mind, this guy is beefing alone. I haven't said one thing. And the beef comes from nowhere. This guy, two weeks ago, this guy was praising me. Now, two weeks later, He's beefing with me. You know what I'm saying? Even the new gen, I never said one thing for new gen to say. It comes from you defending Don Design. 97:29 That's their experience. Are you still defending Don Design? Are you defending Don Design? Yes or no? Are you going to stand up for AKA? Yes or no? Are they going to kill you just like him because you kept quiet when you watched him getting killed on CCTV camera? Are you going to defend Scorpio Sia? KO's brother, nigga. The nigga who put me in motherfucking prison. The nigga... Who put your podcast on. The nigga who gave your podcast credibility. The nigga who gave your podcast. It's only me. I call him Tito. It's part of your intro. 98:00 I don't care. You're calling him on the WhatsApp. It's not a time nigga. Listen, chief. No. 98:08 Are you going to defend Don't Design? El Tito, don't say anything unless you're going to defend Don't Design, because when are you calling me to defend Don't Design? So defend Don't Design, Chief. Don't move it to anything else. Defend Don't Design. And another question. Did you take your son trick-or-treating? 98:27 Let me answer the question. 98:29 Did you take your son trick-or-treating? 98:31 First of all, let me answer the question. 98:34 Let me answer the question. First of all, me and Nota had a conversation about Don Design three years ago. So that's why I'm even saying this beef is coming from nowhere. This conversation we had was three years ago. So he's He's choosing to be mad at me after three years. Where's the sense in that? 98:55 We spoke about Don Design before the hip-hop floor. Before the hip-hop floor that I went to with my lady just recently. Can I talk? Can I talk? Yeah, you're speaking now. 99:04 You're up, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so this guy, you see, I'm going to drop the phone because what is the point of me being on the line? Please mute his mic. If you guys want to get a viral moment, then... 99:17 Please mute his mic. No, Latino, we're muting his mic. 99:22 So what I'm telling you guys is this guy called me three years ago. Last time we had that conversation about design was three years ago, right? And it was the day after that situation happened. I said... Nota, let's see what's going on. Do not blame the people before. Let the police and the law investigate, and we'll see what comes out of that. But let's not throw names around. You know what I'm saying? And if I'm being honest with you guys, I will show you guys clips. 99:53 aka couldn't stand nota the last six months of him being alive let me finish let me finish let me finish my point let me finish my point there is a clip i will literally post he said nota literally gained information so he can destroy him 100:16 He said that on the SoBadding podcast. He said that on the SoBadding podcast. 100:20 Yes, you saw it. You saw it. And he would tell us that, all his friends, he would tell us that he does not mess with this guy. This guy trying to destroy him. And you guys are witnessing him trying to destroy me now. I haven't said one thing about Nota. Why didn't you say it at the end of that play? Hold on, what? Wait, let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. 100:40 Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. 100:43 Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. You guys have never heard me say one thing about Nota. Not one. 100:50 Have you said anything about AKA? That's what we're talking about. 100:54 Forget me, nigga. 100:55 Let me finish my point. Your friend, the one who hated me in his last six months. Did you say anything about him? That should be the point. That's what I asked you. 101:03 No, you're good now. You're good now. You're good now. 101:10 Like I said, like I said, the last time me and Nota had a conversation about doing design was three years ago. This guy has seen me a hundred times. Why? Why? 101:40 Why, nigga? I was in a holding cell. 101:43 I was in a holding cell. You said, listen, listen. You're sitting on Kenan's grave, nigga. You are sitting on Kenan's grave. Hold on. You had beef with Kenan. He hated your guts. You beat up his mother's car. You did that. You beat up his mother's car. And then you're going to claim that you had a perfect relationship with Kenan all your life. Come on, dog. You have a long history with Kenan. Don't do this to me. 102:06 Listen, listen. He's so stupid. Like, look where he's coming from. Everyone in the whole country knows me and Kenan had beef in the beginning when we knew each other. Right? And then we became friends for 10 years after. Very close friends. Wait, wait. So what you're saying is irrelevant. I am telling the people... 102:31 Six months before Keenan passed away, he hated and despised Nota. Okay? He's using Keenan's name right now. Did Nota kill Keenan? 102:40 Did Nota put out the hits on Keenan? Did Nota do that? Can I talk? Why was Nota not released before his death? Shut up! 102:49 Come on, nigga. Shut up. Kinanet, real enemies, not me, nigga. You can't paint this nonsense, dog. This is not your podcast where you go and glaze hoes, nigga. Relax, dog. Take that home. Take that home. Go see your son. Hang up the phone. We're done here. You're done. You can see I'm lying. Continue your thing. Go see your son, chief. He's also on the internet now because he has no direction in this situation. 103:12 Now he's trying to act like, bro, I'm the best father ever. 103:29 Everyone around me, all my friends will tell you. Like, bro, you can try and sound to create lies. You can try to create lies about something else. 103:36 Guys, I'm going to allow me to talk. My friends are dead people, nigga. Wait, I'm fine. 103:45 So what? So what? 103:46 Who is my baby mama that's pealing you? Who is my baby mama that's pealing you, Nila? Shut up! You jazzed like dog design. 103:54 Nila, I got too much clout. If I had a baby mama, she'd come out. 103:57 You jazzed like dog design. 104:00 Okay. This is a bad idea. You're up, Tito. You're up. 104:03 You jazzed like dog design. Shut up. 104:06 We'll hear your son. Don't say you're a good father. Your son says you are. 104:11 My dad is a good father. 104:12 Off the phone. Go. I'm going to drop the phone. Like, why am I on the show to argue? 104:18 That's not my situation. I'm only interested in having a conversation if we're moving forward into something. Like, I explained, Tahi, this guy is on the internet talking about, like, because he has to be mad. He has to create lies. He's saying, I'm not in my son's life. Imagine the dumbness. I am the best father, bro. I see my son all the time. I have a great situation. Calm down! 104:42 Why is your son not being raised under your roof? 104:45 We've got a fucking problem in this country! 105:00 You're allowing a woman to raise your tail. Shut the fuck up, Tito. Never ever talk against me. Never ever platform those little boys that you're paying too little money. Give them gas to talk shit about me on your podcast, nigga. You should have Benji, that motherfucker, deleted that episode, kept it private. You don't talk about my business like that. Motherfucker, you've done nothing for me in my life. I've done things for you, nigga. What the fuck? Tito, who the fuck are you, nigga? Who the fuck are you, nigga? 105:32 I booked the LES when you weren't even getting booked. When you're sitting with Yannick Okuka at Wish. When you didn't even have a fucking career, nigga. I've been in this business longer than you, nigga. Nigga, where the fuck were you, nigga? Where the fuck were you? Tito, you're not an OG to me, nigga. You're an OG to 27-year-old kids who've got nothing in their lives. They've done nothing. They've achieved nothing. As long as you platform those little bitches, motherfucker, the smoke is all for you. And you can listen to your drunk friend. Thank you. Now let's continue to have a proper show. 106:02 I know you. I know what you stand for. And I love you, my brother. 106:08 You hear me, eh? 106:12 I just didn't want to be the one defending you to somebody I know is lying. You get me. Yeah, I wanted you to do it yourself. I wanted you to do it yourself so that you'd be like, my future is my brood. Like, what the fuck? You protected me and defended me so many times. You get me? Without me being around. And that's the reason for this call. And... Thank you for taking the call. 106:41 Thank you. And for me, just to close it off, man, is this sad that Nota is using the situation of these girls to try... Listen, listen. You can say whatever. 106:52 I don't care. They don't care who... His mic is muted. His mic is muted. Why would people listen? 107:00 Listen to LT, dog. I'm not Nota, dog. It doesn't matter what you say about me, dog. You can say I've been fucked in the ass. No one's going to listen to you, dog. I'm Nota, dog. Understand that, dog. My influence is unequivocal, dog. It's across the country, nigga. You don't get called anywhere on this fucking continent just to speak, nigga. You have to dance and sing and fall off stage, motherfucker. Shut the fuck up, nigga. 107:24 I'm out because the guy... 107:29 He has to keep talking. He can't hang up the phone because he looks bad. 107:33 If you make me look bad, I will make you look bad. 107:38 I will make you look bad every single day until you scream for justice for AKA. Scream for justice for AKA or shut your fucking mouth, Tito. You never want to hear your fucking lisping, lisp. Say anything. Why do I not let my guests to talk? Just speech therapy. 107:55 Let me close it. 107:56 Let me close it. 107:57 Let me close it. 107:58 Let me talk after. 107:58 Let me close it. Let me talk after. What's the point? What's the point? 108:06 Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me And that's unequivocal. That is a fact. No, I'm not going to let you talk. We've got a show to get on to. Close it. 108:37 He's quiet now. 108:38 He's quiet now. Close it. He's quiet now. 108:41 Okay, Sharp. This is the last thing I'm going to say. 108:45 In this situation, it's said that this guy's trying to lie to the masses that he's fighting for Keenan. Bear in mind. Bear in mind, guys. Thank you. 109:12 But he's female. I haven't said one thing about his girl until now. 109:17 Not one thing about his girl. My little boys had a situation with his girl, right? 109:23 And I didn't send them to speak about his girl. I didn't say speak about his girl. That's the situation that they've had. And under normal circumstances, I would have involved myself to say, boys, don't do this, don't do this. But no one has been disrespecting me for no reason. 109:39 For no reason at all. And for me, for me, for me, I want to leave it at he can keep on trying to make up the lies. Black dog, I'm involved. I'm involved in my family's life. I'm involved in my kids' life. And I know I'm the best father. I'm not going to stand there and try to speak on a note because there's no point to it. You know what I'm saying? The guy is just going to create lies for them. And he said on the show, I saw him argue with the boys. He said he's the reason he told me to employ these boys. 110:10 The same guys he's fighting. Imagine, this guy just comes up with lies. Like, bro, I don't understand. 110:17 Put other kids on that show. Come on, nigga. Say it. Say it. Did I not say, yo? Help a spin-off series. 110:24 Open up and network. Don't be the only podcaster. Come on, nigga. 110:29 Come on. I never said you must pick up those boys. But I said have another show on your network. I even said you must have one for girls. Because you're the baddie whisperer. You can say I'm lying, nigga. It's because I'm not charging you a cent. But it's cool. Take my intellectual property. Run with this dog. 110:44 Say my name. 110:45 It brings views. That gives you monetization. Maybe you'll be able to spend more time with your kid. Vacations. Oh. Done. Tito, bro. Done-ass nigga. Shop. Thank you, Tito. You're on vacation. Shop. Shop. 110:56 Thank you. Tito! Yo, pulses. Yeah, pulse. Yo, bro. Yo, my God. That was our show today. We're an amazing guest. We're an amazing guest. That was super dope. 111:10 Shout out, no doubt. That was a big debate. So, hold on. Who wins the big debate? Is Tito a good father? 111:15 I won! 111:16 You're saying he's a good father. I'm saying he's not. Who wins? 111:18 No, I win. 111:20 Yo. 111:21 Thank you so much, guys. That was my photo. I'm not down at myself. This is Music Pulse. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.